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Chapter 17 Notes by Ellen Park Holden and Sally planned to meet at 2, but she comes 10 minutes late. He then lets it go because he thinks that she looks good. He thinks about marring her even though he doesn't like her like that. The actors in the theater seems phony to Holden and when Sally talks to a boy she knows, Holden starts feeling really annoyed at how phony their conversation sounds. After the theater they go ice-skating and Holden thinks that Sally only wanted to go to wear a short shirt to show off her "cute ass". When they stopped to take a break, Holden starts ranting about how he hates prep school phonies. When Sally tells Holden to quiet down he ignores her and then gets annoyed at her when she doesn't agree with Holden. Holden calls Sally a "royal pain in the ass" and she starts to cry. Holden attempts to console her, but eventually he leaves her and thinks to himself that he would never go on a trip with her which is controversial to what he first thought.

Chapter 17 Note: Clare D.: Plot Summary:
 * At 2 o'clock Holden goes to meet Sally at the Biltmore Hotel
 * She is a little late but she looked good so Holden lets it go
 * The actors in the play annoy Holden because, like Ernie, they seem full of themselves, or phonies
 * During the intermission Sally annoys Holden by talking to a prep school boy from Andover, who he finds to be pretentious
 * After the show they go skating, which holder thinks is only because Sally wanted to wear a little skirt, but he admits she has a “cute ass”
 * When they go inside to take a break Holden becomes emotional and “shouts” about how much he hates prep school phonies
 * He then goes on to talk about how he wants to runaway with Sally and live in a cabin somewhere in New England
 * She tells him he is being ridiculous and Holden becomes even more upset, calling her “a royal pain in the ass”
 * He keeps “shouting” and she begins to cry, Holden sees this and tries to console her, but eventually leaves without her

Chapter 17 By: Raivyn B Sally  shows up ten minutes late to meet Holden , but looks so good he doesn't hold it against her. He feels like marrying her, even though he doesn't particularly like her. He keeps describing himself as crazy. At the play, the actors' performances seem phony and conceited to Holden . During intermission, Sally  talks to a boy named George who she knows from Andover. Their phony conversation disgusts Holden. After the performance, Holden  and Sally  go ice-skating. Holden guesses that Sally wanted to go ice-skating just to wear a little skirt and show off her "cute ass," which, he has to admit, looks good. Soon they head inside. As they drink cokes, Holden  asks Sally <span style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;"> if she gets fed up with stuff like school. Holden then says that he hates school and everything else: taxis, New York, etc. Sally asks him to stop shouting, but Holden continues that he's only in New York because of Sally and would otherwise be off in a cabin in the woods. He says he's in bad shape. Sally readily agrees. Suddenly <span class="inline-character" style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;">Holden <span style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;"> suggests they should run away to New England and live in a cabin together. <span class="inline-character" style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;">Sally <span style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;"> tells him there will be time for such things when they're older. Holden tells Sally she's "a royal pain in the ass." Sally starts to cry. Holden apologizes, then starts to laugh, then finally leaves. <span class="inline-character" style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;">Holden <span style="color: #222222; font-family: Lato,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16.875px;"> remarks in retrospect that he wouldn't want to go with Sally on a trip anyway, and concludes that he must be insane.

Ch 17 Notes: This chapter beings with Holden sitting in the lobby, waiting for Sally Hayes to join him for their date. He sees a lot of school girls on a field trip and gets to thinking about who they will eventually marry. He comes to the conclusion that most of them will marry "dopey guys." Holden then proceeds to describe all the kinds of dopey guys— guys who get mad over for the dumbest reasons, guys who never read to their kids, guys who are boring. Once he mentions "boring," he digresses into an instance where a seemingly boring guy he knew actually was kind of cool because he had such a knack for whistling. Finally Sally arrives for the date ten minutes late— but Holden doesn’t press the issue. In the cab to the show, Holden tells her he loves her, and he says he really meant it at the time, though not anymore. Holden doesn’t seem to have believed his own daring because he confesses to the reader, "I’m crazy. I swear to God I am."**.** At the show, Sally sees an old friend who is now an Ivy Leaguer and strikes up a conversation, which ends up lasting until the end of the show, Holden seems upset about this. After the show, the couple goes ice-skating at Radio City. Inside the lounge there, Holden shares his hatred for school with Sally. He does into great detail about how he can’t stand any of the phonies or the cliques there, and soon Sally is overwhelmed. Then Sally is really tipped over the edge when Holden asks her to go into the wilderness out east with him and live in a quaint, log cabin. Soon the two begin arguing and shouting at each other. Sally leaves in a huff when Holden tells her she’s a "royal pain in the ass." Holden dismisses her as being unable to carry on an intelligent conversation and concludes the chapter by admitting he really is "a madman" sometimes. (Isabella L)

ch 17 olivia follis
 * he arrives early to the Biltmore for his date
 * he observes the girls and he feels bad because he knows that they are all going to marry dopey guys who are boring
 * He feels sorry for boring guys because maybe they have some talent like the guy who could whistle
 * He sees Sally walking in and he says that she looks beautiful and says he feels like marrying her right then even though he doesnt even like her that much
 * shows how little he knows about love
 * makes out with her in the back of the cab
 * he tells her he loves her, he means it in the moment but confesses he really doesnt
 * she tells him he doesnt like his haircut in a passive aggressive way
 * the play wasnt as bad as he thought, but the actors kept getting tea which made him pissed as well as the fact that people kept getting up
 * he says the mr and mrs Lunts were too good at acting because it seemed too real how they were speaking and arguing
 * Sally only talked when she was raving about the show
 * she sees this guy she knows, strictly ivy league, and she wont shut up about him so holden gets agitated and tells her just to go talk with the other guy
 * ^ sally gets ‘sore’
 * George finally comes over and talks with sally and they just talk about the play and all the fancy people that they know; ignoring Holden
 * By the end of the play, Holden is sick of Sally
 * Sally suggests that they go ice skating and holden wonders why. then she talks about how she can rent these little skating skirts and Holden concludes that she just wants to go for vanity
 * They skate but they are awful so Holden suggests that they go in for a drink
 * Starts lighting matches - a nervous habit
 * Asks her if she ever gets fed up
 * he goes off and says how he hates everything basically about his life
 * He hates how everyone cares about cars, says thats what all his schools have ever been about: being smart enough to know about cars
 * He asks her to run away with him and he gets very worked up about it
 * she says no
 * he says that shes a pain in the ass and she gets very offended and starts to cry and holden starts to feel bad but she wont accept his apologies
 * he starts to laugh at the situation and she becomes furious which shows his immaturity
 * he calls himself mad because he meant what he said when he told her that he wanted to run away with her but he doesnt even like her

Chapter 17 Notes - Sarah B


 * While Holden waits for Sally, he starts noticing all of the girls waiting around for their dates to show up as well, and begin to feel bad for what he stereotypes their futures to look like - which is basically either really rude or really boring guys in Holden’s mind
 * When Sally arrives, Holden admits that he is crazy because he is so amazed by her that he wants to marry her (138)
 * Holden then quickly changes his opinion around briefly to state that her loud obnoxious voice got on his nerves quite a bit
 * Holden expressed that he doesn’t mind that Sally is late because she looked so nice, and states that all version of guys being upset by that aren’t usually true in his opinion
 * During their horsing around in the back of a cab on the way to The Lunts show, Holden tells Sally that he loves her and she returns the statement- he recalls that it’s not true but that he meant it in the moment (139)
 * Holden says that the Lunts are similar to Ernie the piano player due to the fact that when you know you are really good at something, you begin to show it off too much, which in return makes you not as good after all (140)
 * Holden refers to his theme of phonies when everyone goes outside to smoke and talk about the show after the first act, and then again when Sally is talking to another “phony” named George that she recognized in the lobby (141)
 * After the show, Sally comes up with the idea to go ice skating at Radio City, and she gets a “butt-twitcher” ice skater dress to wear, which Holden doesn’t exactly mind (143)
 * After a little while, the two go inside for Cokes, and Holden begins talking about everything he can’t stand about school and NYC and his life in general, soon beginning to shout even though he doesn’t realize that he is
 * Holden then begins fantasizing, out loud, to Sally about running away to live in a cabin in the woods and live together, which Sally of course turns down
 * The two continue to argue about these decisions until finally Holden takes it too far and calls SAlly a “pain in the ass”, to which Sally cries, Holden apologizes and offers to take her home, but Sally decides to go home herself, so Holden begins to laugh loudly about the entire scenario
 * After recalling the incident once he leaves, Holden calls himself a “madman” because he ment the fantasy when he said, but afterwards realizes that he wouldn’t have really gone to Massachusetts or Vermont even if Sally had wanted to go (149)

Olivia Kriwasch- period 8


 * At 2, Holden meets Sally at the Biltmore Hotel, she is late
 * The actors in the play annoy Holen because they seem arrogant
 * At intermission, Sally flirts with a another boy, which annoys Holden
 * Her takes her ice skating at “Radio City”
 * When they sit to eat, Holden rants to Sally about phonies and his loneliness
 * He tells her they should run away together, away from society
 * She says this notion is not probable and declines the offer
 * Holden begins to insult her until she cries
 * he tries to apologize, but ends up leaving

Shihab Prottoy =__**Summary**__=
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">While Holden waits for Sally, he starts noticing all of the girls waiting around for their dates to show up as well. He begin to feel bad for what he thinks their future will hold for them.
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">At 2, Sally arries. Holden is very amazed, and says he wants to marry her.
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">The actors in the play annoy Holden because actors kept getting tea, and people kept getting up.
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">During intermission, Sally flirts with another guy, which annoys Holden.
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">After the show, Sally suggests they go ice skating. Turns out both of them are bad at it, so they go inside for a drink.
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">Holden says that he hates his life and rants about loneliness. He then asks Sally to run away with him, to which Sally declines.
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">Holden insults Sally, and she begins to cry. He tries to apologize, but she refuses to accept it. He ends up leaving.

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 * Holden is early for his date with Sally, so he waits for her and watches people
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> Sally arrives ten minutes late, but since she is looking nice, Holden decides not to be upset.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> They watch the play for which Holden has bought tickets, and he admits the show is not bad.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> Afterward, Sally suggests they go ice skating at Radio City, mostly because she wants to rent one of those little skating skirts to show off her legs.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> but both Holden and her are miserable skaters and they finally go to to the bar for cokes.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> While having drinks, Holden suddenly thinks about running away with sally
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> He asks Sally to go with him, but she ignores his idea, thinking he is being weird.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> They fight and Sally leaves feeling hurt.