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Ch 8 taylor Wooley


 * Holden walks in the cold to the train station. He likes trains at night, since it's the only time he can read those dumb stories in the cheap magazines without puking.
 * He takes his hat off.
 * On the train, Holden strikes up conversation with an attractive older woman on the train, whose son, Ernest Morrow, goes to his school.
 * Ernest, of course, is the biggest jerk in the history of mankind—but Holden lies to the woman, telling her his own name is Rudolf Schmidt (the janitor in his dorm) and going on and on about what a wonderful boy Ernest is.
 * Holden offers the woman a cigarette and then admires the way she smokes.
 * She asks about Holden's nose, and he tells her he got hit in the face by a snowball.
 * He makes up more stories about what a wonderful guy Ernest is and offers to buy Mrs. Ernest's Mom a drink. She gives him the, "Um, what are you, twelve?" in the nicest way possible.
 * Why is Holden is going home for Christmas so early
 * She looks worried, which Holden says means really she's just nosy. So, he gives her something to nose about: he says he has to have an operation to remove a tumor on his brain. He then has to start reading a timetable he's got in his pocket because it's the only way he can stop himself from lying.
 * The woman goes back to reading //Vogue//, but before they part ways, she invites Holden to come visit her son Ernest in Massachusetts sometime during the summer.
 * he has to go to South America with his grandmother this summer.

Ch. 7 Notes by Jacob E. > > > >
 * Holden takes a train to a cheap hotel late in the night
 * While on the train, a woman recognizes Holden’s Pencey sticker on his luggage and says that her son, Ernest, goes there
 * She asks Holden all sorts of question about him and his bloody nose
 * Holden lies about who he is and how he got the bloody nose and lies about being good buddies with Ernest
 * Holden tells the woman that he was going to South America with his grandmother

Chapter 8 by Raivyn Brown Holden walks the entire way to the train station and catches a late train to New York. At Trenton, an attractive older woman gets on and sits next to him. She turns out to be the mother of his classmate, Ernest Morrow. He dislikes Ernest immensely but tells extravagant lies about him to his mother, claiming that he is the most popular boy on campus and would have been elected class president if he’d let the other boys nominate him. Holden tells her his own name is Rudolph Schmidt, which is actually the school janitor’s name. When she asks why he is leaving Pencey early, Holden claims to be returning to New York for a brain tumor operation.

Katie A. Chapter 8 notes:

Holden leaves for his Christmas break, and he journeys to the train station. He sits down on the train, and a bit later, a lady sits next to him. She notices a Pencey sticker on his bad, and asks if that's where he goes. He says he does, and then she mentions that her son, Ernest Morrow goes there. Holden knows Ernest, but he doesn't like him very much, but he doesn't want to tell his mother this. He begins talking and how Ernest is the most popular kid at school, and how wonderful he is, he is lying. Mrs. Morrow wishes to tell Ernest she saw him, so she asks Holden for his name. He gives her the name Rudolf Schmit, who happens to be the Janitor. His nose begins to bleed during the conversatz on, and she asks what happened, and he explains that he got hit with a snowball, even though that is a lie as well. Holden also tells her he's going home to get a brain tumor removed. After this, goes back to reading, and did say he could stay with Ernest their beach house in the Shammer, but he lies and says he's staying with his grandmother.

Alexa K.:


 * Chapter 8 **
 * **Holden leaves Pencey that Saturday night before christmas break **
 * **he goes to the train station and he tells us that he loves riding trains at night **
 * **He sits down and takes off his hunting hat. An older woman sits right next to him, even though there are plenty of open seats available **
 * **He begins to take to this lady who asks if he goes to Pencey (the sticker on his bag gave the clue) **
 * **He says yes and she says that her son Ernest Morrow goes there. **
 * **Holden knows him, but mentions that he is the biggest jerk at school **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">He lies when she asks for his name **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden says his name is Rudolf Schmidt, who is actually a janitor at the school **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden starts to rave about her son and tells stories about how great he is (lies) **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden, during the conversation, offers her a cigarette. She accepts and he admirers her. **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden’s nose begins to bleed again from the fight **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Concerned, she asks what happened **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">he says he got hit with a snowball (another lie) **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden offers Ernest’s mom a drink, which she basically asks his age **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">She is very nosy and Holden keeps on lying **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">To make her even more nosy, he says that he is going home early for christmas break because he has to get a tumor removed from his brain **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">This is where their conversation ended as she went back to reading her magazine **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">But she did offer for Holden to come to Massachusetts for the summer with Ernest **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">he says too bad he has to go to his grandma’s house this summer. **

Erica T.:


 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Chapter 8 **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">On the train to New York, a woman sits next to Holden **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">She notices his Pencey bag and says her son is Earnest Morrow **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden hates Earnest but lies and says that Earnest is rly popular and shy **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden introduces himself as Rudulf Schmit, the name of Pencey’ janitor **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">The lady ask why he is leaving school **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">He Says that he has to get surgery **

Matt W.:
 * Ch. 8 S****<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">ummary: **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden decides to leave Pencey early and stay in a cheap hotel until he has to go home **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">He does this because he wants his parents to get used to the news that he “got the ax” before he returns home **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">He leaves on the same night that he and Stradlater got into a fight and says that it's too late to catch a cab **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">He walks to the train station and only has to wait 10 minutes for the next train **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">While he is waiting he uses snow to was the blood off his face **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">When his train stops at trenton and a woman sits next to him even though the whole train is empty **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">She sees the Pencey Prep sticker on his luggage and reveals that her son, Ernest Morrow, goes to Pencey **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Even though Holden doesn’t like Ernest he lies about it and talks about how great Ernest is **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden then talks about how well Ernest applies himself, how popular Ernest is, and even goes as far as to say that Ernest is sensitive, funny, and modest **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Once Holden starts lying he can’t stop, he tells Mrs. Morrow that his name is Rudolf Schmidt and that he is having surgery because he has a brain tumor **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">The chapter ends with Mrs. Morrow inviting Holden to visit them during the summer at their beach house but Holden lies and says he’s going to South America with his Grandmother **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Essential Quote: **
 * <span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">**<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">“Then I started reading the this timetable I had in my pocket. Just to stop lying. Once I get started, I can go on for hours if I feel like it. No kidding. Hours.” **


 * Chapter 8 Summary by Kevin Kim**
 * **Holden decides to stay in a cheap hotel until he has to go home.**
 * **He can't take a cab o the train station because it is too late.**
 * **When his train is at Trenton, an older woman gets on and sits next to him.**
 * **She recognizes the Pencey Prep luggae and says that her son Ernest Morrow goes to Pencey.**
 * **Holden doesn't like Ernest but tells lies to his mother about him,**
 * **Holden can't stop lying at this point.**
 * **He also lies that his name is Rudolph Schmidt, which is the school janitor's name.**
 * **When Ms. Morrow asks why he is leaving Pencey early, Holden replies by saying that he is having a brain tumor operation and is returning to New York.**

Grace S - Chapter 8
 * Since its too late to call a cab, Holden decides to walk to the train station
 * Holden washes some of the blood off of his face with snow
 * Holden talks about how he likes to ride trains at night
 * A forty-five year old attractive woman sits next to Holden
 * The woman, Mrs. Morrow, struck up conversation with Holden about Pencey Prep and how her son goes there. Holden mentally comments that she has a nice voice
 * Holden gives Mrs. Morrow a fake name, Rudolf Schmidt, and her and Holden continue to talk about Morrow's son, Ernest
 * Holden gives Morrow a cigarette, and he complements the way she smokes in his thoughts
 * After Morrow points out Holden's bloody nose, Holden starts lying to Mrs. Morrow about her son. He talks about how Ernest is really popular and well-liked at Pencey
 * Holden offers Morrow a drink, but Morrow declines and brings up Christmas vacation
 * Holden lies again telling her that he was leaving early because he had an operation
 * For the rest of the train ride she was reading vogue, and before she went off she invited Holden to visit Ernie during the summer in their beach house
 * The chapter ends with Holden lying to Morrow that he was going to South America with his grandmother so he couldn't visit, and in his thoughts he said he would never visit Ernest.
 * "But I wouldn't visit that sonuvabitch Morrow for all the dough in the world, even if I was desperate" (66).

Shihab P. =__**Summary**__= In this chapter, the reader is introduced to the fact that Holden is very good at coming up with lies on the spot. He mentally takes note of the conversation, making sure she does not suspect that he is truly lying.
 * The chapter starts off with it being late at night, and Holden deciding that he has to stay in a cheap hotel until he has to go home.
 * Since it is too late to call a cab, Holden decides to walk to the train station and take a train to the hotel. He explains that he likes riding trains at night.
 * On the train, at Trenton, a women decides to sit next to Holden. She recognizes the Pencey Prep luggage and says her son, Ernest, goes there.
 * Holden comes up with a fake name, Rudolf Schmidt, and talk about Ernest. When Morrow points out Holden's bloody nose, he starts to lie about Ernest some more.
 * She then brings up Christmas vacation, and Holden lies again, telling that he had to leave early due to a brain tumor operation.
 * The chapter ends with Holden telling Morrow that he was going to South America with his grandmother.

Catcher in the rye chapter 8 notes Sean Hayes •Holden walks to the train station and catches a train to New York

• At Trenton, an attractive older woman gets on and sits next to him

•She is the mother of his classmate, Ernest Morrow

•Holden doesn't like Ernest but tells lies about him to his mother

•Holden tells her his own name is Rudolph Schmidt, which is really the janitor’s name

•When she asks why he is leaving Pencey early, Holden says he's returning to New York for a brain tumor operation

RAKIB RAZZAK.

 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">Since it is too late to call for a taxi, Holden walks to the train station.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">On the way, he washes the blood from his nose with snow.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">The train comes soon and is practically empty.At Trenton station, a lady boards the train and strikes up a conversation with Holden, recognizing Pency Prep’s signon one of his suitcases.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;"> It turns out that she is the mother of one of Holden’s classmates, a boy named Ernest Morrow.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">Holden tells her several lies about her son
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">He tells these lies in order to give the mother what she wants to hear about her son.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">He also tells her his name is Rudolf Schmidt, which is the name of the janitor at the school.
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14.6667px; vertical-align: baseline;">He ends the conversation by telling her he is on his way to have a tumor removed from his brain.